Queen Elizabeth I and the Earl of Leicester

Update:

Sorry this site’s been kinda slow recently. It’s my last month and a half of school so I’m really trying to focus on my work. (idk how successful I am!)

I really like to put thought into my answers so sometimes I take a bit longer to answer questions because my replies are so long!

Thanks for following and asking questions and allowing me to fangirl about my favorite OTP in the world :)

1 week ago on 10 April 2014 @ 2:13pm

Elizabeth I (detail), English School, 1600

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1 week ago on 5 April 2014 @ 11:47am 170 notes

Elizabeth Tudor & Robert Dudley Scenes (♔)

2 weeks ago on 1 April 2014 @ 5:59pm 79 notes
Anonymous
Do u think if she was not a queen they would have gotten together?

robindudley:

bessandrobin:

robindudley:

bessandrobin:

(Sorry this took so long to answer!)

My personal opinion: It’s not out of the realm of possibility.

It would depend on many factors, of course, but one factor matters more than any of the others. When Elizabeth was queen, Robert was with her 24/7. This close proximity made it very easy and natural for a bond to develop. If she wasn’t queen, would they have spent enough time around each other to develop the same relationship?

If they did eventually develop the same close bond, then I would say the possibility that they might marry would be higher.

While I think that Elizabeth had an aversion to marriage, I don’t think she was necessarily 100% against the idea. I think she wanted a relationship like everybody else, but it wasn’t quite that simple, particularly when she was a queen.

I’ve given a lot of thought to this (I’ve thought about it a little too much) so I have a freakish amount of thoughts on this, but I guess I’ll leave it at this for now.

My fangirl answer, though? YES OMFG THEY WOULD TOTALLY GET MARRIED AND HAVE BABIES AND I CAN’T EVEN.

Can I jump in this conversation?

I have a slightly different opinion on this. I believe their close bond was formed even before she was Queen, (i’m some kind of a romantic in that aspect, after all, they met when they were children), so I don’t think it was their close proximity in her reign that surfaced the subject of marriage. And by that, I don’t think it was she as Queen that was THE reason for them not to get married. It play a part of course, but it was at the same place as personal reasons as well as circumstantials.

Being Elizabeth Queen, we have plenty of reasons for them not to get married. He was married (duh) and after,  he was a simple subject and of course, the whole debacle of Mary Stuart QoS, etc.

And if Elizabeth has never reached queenship and maintain her life, we still have the reason that Robert was already married to Amy and personal, more intrinsic reasons for Elizabeth, and I believe these are the whys of why they never married. She never had a good -as Robert did- a good example of normal marriage life, not with her father and his many wives or in her life with Cat Parr and Thomas Seymour. She never wanted to loose her power over herself.

The only way I can see of them married, if they done it when they were more young -it has never got into my mind why John Dudley never saw to this when he had chance- but ofc it was at the time Robert has his little infatuation with Amy (I’m not buying it was just a marriage of love and not political too) and guess what, this was also a couple of years after the whole Seymour affair. Life is a constant bitch.

My au version of them enjoying life and enjoying whole days and nights of hot sex without  a care in the world, was that they run away together to the new world and settled life in there, but alas they were too chained into their obligations to the nation.

Okay so I think I’ve found a way to answer this very simply.

I can see them getting married under certain conditions. For example, if Edward was still king, the Dudleys were still in power (which I think they would be if Edward were still alive), Amy Robsart died at around the same time she did irl, and if Elizabeth and Robert spent a lot of time around each other at court.

Under conditions like that, I don’t see her being as resistant to marriage. I just don’t.

Again, these are ideal circumstances. But the question involves a total rewrite of history anyway.

I think the straw that broke the camel’s back when it came to Elizabeth and marriage was that she was queen. I think the emotional scarring from her family’s relationships were a huge factor, but I think the thing that really made her say no was her position as queen.

There’s some really interesting things she said in her speeches that lead me to believe this. Yes, they are propaganda, but it still rings true to me.

I’m not saying, her being a queen, wasn’t important or that she didn’t liked the thought of it, we know she wanted a family, and with robert and with children of them both. But I don’t know if she actually could have gone that road if she had the chance, I’m imagine her getting cold feet lol. But I see what your are saying, Elizabeth loved her poeple way too much (and robert loved her even more) and she didn’t wanted to mess out anything, it was a very rocky road she was in at that time.

All would be better, if they have been born in this age, they were too forward for their time.

Yeah, I feel ya. It could go either way, obviously. I just think it’s in the realm of possibility. The realm. But as you said, moral of the story is they should be alive today and happy and royal.
2 weeks ago on 31 March 2014 @ 6:12pm 8 notes

Elizabeth I and Female Tropes: Mother, Wife, Queen, Savior

This is a paper I wrote for my literature class the Age of Elizabeth. It examines how Elizabeth used common female tropes and how her courtiers used them as well. I write about her speeches and “The Queene Majestie’s Passage” which chronicles her coronation pageant. It’s not groundbreaking writing or anything, but it might be a semi-interesting read.
(My teacher said to avoid slang. I put “riffed off of”. Please, that’s not slang. Slang to me is like, “I can’t even…” and #YOLO)

*Ignore the page numbers. They refer to pages in our course reader.
**I apologize in advance for any errors!

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“I am assured that God has revealed to some in this our age, that it is more than a monster in nature that a woman shall reign and have empire above man”
-John Knox, 1558

When Elizabeth came to the throne, John Knox’s “The First Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women” had already been published and the extreme misgivings towards a female ruler was already well ingrained in the public’s mind. Both Elizabeth and her people faced the daunting task of blending the beliefs of the times and the reality of the times. A woman wasn’t fit to rule, but the heir was a woman. Knox tried to save face by explaining that Elizabeth was the exception to the rule and it seems that Elizabeth and her people riffed off of the very same idea. Elizabeth was far above any normal woman. She was chosen by God to instill the true faith and protect the people. 

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2 weeks ago on 31 March 2014 @ 6:03pm 2 notes
Anonymous
Do u think if she was not a queen they would have gotten together?

robindudley:

bessandrobin:

(Sorry this took so long to answer!)

My personal opinion: It’s not out of the realm of possibility.

It would depend on many factors, of course, but one factor matters more than any of the others. When Elizabeth was queen, Robert was with her 24/7. This close proximity made it very easy and natural for a bond to develop. If she wasn’t queen, would they have spent enough time around each other to develop the same relationship?

If they did eventually develop the same close bond, then I would say the possibility that they might marry would be higher.

While I think that Elizabeth had an aversion to marriage, I don’t think she was necessarily 100% against the idea. I think she wanted a relationship like everybody else, but it wasn’t quite that simple, particularly when she was a queen.

I’ve given a lot of thought to this (I’ve thought about it a little too much) so I have a freakish amount of thoughts on this, but I guess I’ll leave it at this for now.

My fangirl answer, though? YES OMFG THEY WOULD TOTALLY GET MARRIED AND HAVE BABIES AND I CAN’T EVEN.

Can I jump in this conversation?

I have a slightly different opinion on this. I believe their close bond was formed even before she was Queen, (i’m some kind of a romantic in that aspect, after all, they met when they were children), so I don’t think it was their close proximity in her reign that surfaced the subject of marriage. And by that, I don’t think it was she as Queen that was THE reason for them not to get married. It play a part of course, but it was at the same place as personal reasons as well as circumstantials.

Being Elizabeth Queen, we have plenty of reasons for them not to get married. He was married (duh) and after,  he was a simple subject and of course, the whole debacle of Mary Stuart QoS, etc.

And if Elizabeth has never reached queenship and maintain her life, we still have the reason that Robert was already married to Amy and personal, more intrinsic reasons for Elizabeth, and I believe these are the whys of why they never married. She never had a good -as Robert did- a good example of normal marriage life, not with her father and his many wives or in her life with Cat Parr and Thomas Seymour. She never wanted to loose her power over herself.

The only way I can see of them married, if they done it when they were more young -it has never got into my mind why John Dudley never saw to this when he had chance- but ofc it was at the time Robert has his little infatuation with Amy (I’m not buying it was just a marriage of love and not political too) and guess what, this was also a couple of years after the whole Seymour affair. Life is a constant bitch.

My au version of them enjoying life and enjoying whole days and nights of hot sex without  a care in the world, was that they run away together to the new world and settled life in there, but alas they were too chained into their obligations to the nation.

Okay so I think I’ve found a way to answer this very simply.

I can see them getting married under certain conditions. For example, if Edward was still king, the Dudleys were still in power (which I think they would be if Edward were still alive), Amy Robsart died at around the same time she did irl, and if Elizabeth and Robert spent a lot of time around each other at court.

Under conditions like that, I don’t see her being as resistant to marriage. I just don’t.

Again, these are ideal circumstances. But the question involves a total rewrite of history anyway.

I think the straw that broke the camel’s back when it came to Elizabeth and marriage was that she was queen. I think the emotional scarring from her family’s relationships were a huge factor, but I think the thing that really made her say no was her position as queen.

There’s some really interesting things she said in her speeches that lead me to believe this. Yes, they are propaganda, but it still rings true to me.

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2 weeks ago on 31 March 2014 @ 2:49pm 8 notes

cleopatro:

The “Hampden” portrait, by Steven van der Meulen, ca. 1563, detail

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2 weeks ago on 30 March 2014 @ 6:23pm 15 notes

Queen Elizabeth I (detail) c.1585, unknown artist. This painting, of several similar portraits of this type now known, was found in a seventeenth-century farmhouse in England in 1890.

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2 weeks ago on 30 March 2014 @ 2:07pm 48 notes
Anonymous
Do u think if she was not a queen they would have gotten together?

(Sorry this took so long to answer!)

My personal opinion: It’s not out of the realm of possibility.

It would depend on many factors, of course, but one factor matters more than any of the others. When Elizabeth was queen, Robert was with her 24/7. This close proximity made it very easy and natural for a bond to develop. If she wasn’t queen, would they have spent enough time around each other to develop the same relationship?

If they did eventually develop the same close bond, then I would say the possibility that they might marry would be higher.

While I think that Elizabeth had an aversion to marriage, I don’t think she was necessarily 100% against the idea. I think she wanted a relationship like everybody else, but it wasn’t quite that simple, particularly when she was a queen.

I’ve given a lot of thought to this (I’ve thought about it a little too much) so I have a freakish amount of thoughts on this, but I guess I’ll leave it at this for now.

My fangirl answer, though? YES OMFG THEY WOULD TOTALLY GET MARRIED AND HAVE BABIES AND I CAN’T EVEN.

2 weeks ago on 30 March 2014 @ 1:34pm 8 notes

edwardslovelyelizabeth:

On this day in history, the 24th March 1603, Queen Elizabeth I, daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn, died at Richmond Palace, aged 69 bringing the rule of the Tudor dynasty to an end. Elizabeth I had reigned for 44 years and 127 days and her reign was known as “The Golden Age”. She was the longest reigning Tudor monarch.

It is said that the execution of her former favourite, Robert Devereux, the Earl of Essex, on the 25th February 1601 had a huge impact on Elizabeth. She had already lost her great love Robert Dudley in 1588, her good friend Blanche Parry in 1590 and her friend and adviser William Cecil, Lord Burghley, in 1598. It seemed that all those she loved and depended on were dying and leaving her. Her grief, combined with a belief that she was losing her grip on her court and country, led to her becoming severely depressed.

Tracy Borman, in her book “Elizabeth’s Women”, writes of how Elizabeth decided to move to Richmond Palace in January 1603 because it was the place to which she felt that she could “best trust her sickly old age”. She was obviously feeling low and ill and just wanted to be somewhere where she felt at home. Borman also writes of how it was in the last couple of months of her life that Elizabeth decided that she did not want her young ladies around her, instead she wanted older ladies who had served her for years, friends who she trusted.

G J Meyer writes that the doctors probably had no idea of why Elizabeth was dying and that it could have been any of the following:

-A bronchial infection that turned into pneumonia

-Streptococcus

-The failure of some vital organ

-Poisoning from ceruse – the white lead and vinegar mixture that Elizabeth used as make-up.

But G J Meyer writes that whatever the actual medical condition it does appear that it was aggravated by Elizabeth’s state of mind, her depression.

Elizabeth was then buried at Westminster Abbey in the vault of her grandfather, Henry VII, until she was moved in 1606 to her present resting place, a tomb in the Lady Chapel of Westminster Abbey which she shares with her half-sister Mary I. King James I spent over £11,000 on Elizabeth I’s lavish funeral and he also arranged for this white marble monument to be built. The tomb is inscribed with the words:-

“Consorts both in throne and grave, here we rest two sisters, Elizabeth and Mary, in hope of our resurrection.”

3 weeks ago on 25 March 2014 @ 12:20am 38 notes